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Hey, friend, welcome back to Perspectives into Practice. Today we're exploring what it looks like to lead with grace, compassion and healthy boundaries. I'm so excited to welcome my friend Michelle to the show today. She is the heart behind a very special nomad community that has a special place in my heart and is one of the kindest, most steady leaders I know. Michelle, welcome. I'm sorry. So glad that you're here.
[00:00:53] Speaker B: Hey, thanks for having me. I'm glad to be here.
[00:00:55] Speaker A: Yes.
All right, so before we get into the good stuff, y' all know I love a good fun fact. And here's something wild about Michelle. You might not guess this from her calm presence, but she has been off roading since the 90s and loves some extreme rock crawling in her jeep.
Tell me what got you into jeeps and rock crawling. Tell us all about that.
[00:01:22] Speaker B: So my first four wheel drive was a Toyota pickup truck that had nine inches of lift and it was four wheel drive and we used to take that off roading but didn't really have any major, you know, rock climbing things in our area. Living in Florida and then we got a little bit older and moved to an area that had lime rock pits and Travis went down in and made trails and then we and our friends would go there and we had a Jeep Cherokee at the time. But before that we would do mudding, mostly mudding stuff. And I don't really like the mudding part of it because it gets dirty on the handles, door handles and stuff like that when you're trying to get in and out. I don't like that. So. So once we started with the rock climbing stuff that I really, really liked and then had to have my own vehicle because when I would r get my neck would get out of alignment and I get migraines and if I drove then I didn't. So then we found out that I just needed to have my own vehicle. So yeah, yeah. So it was, it was in the 90s that we, I think probably I've had more than 10 of my own off road vehicles, like just different jeeps and things like that. And so yeah, we love it. We drive all around the country and off road, all the places that we can. All different off road parks and natural areas that we can go off roading in.
[00:02:49] Speaker A: I love that. What's your favorite one that you've done.
[00:02:52] Speaker B: In Moab, Utah, is. Is our hands down favorite place to off road. It's just.
It's beautiful scenery. Plus, it's just hard. Hard obstacles to. To drive. And that's what we like doing is actual obstacles. We don't just like dirt roads. We like.
Like, I couldn't walk up that. I wonder if I could drive up it. I bet I could.
[00:03:16] Speaker A: You know, I've never done that before. I would love to try it, but my anxiety goes from, you know, like, what's the worst case scenario? Right. And that doesn't always happen, but that. I see pictures of people doing that when they're just like, almost vertical climbs.
[00:03:32] Speaker B: Yes.
Yes, we do that.
[00:03:35] Speaker A: Yes.
That is crazy. Wow. Well, maybe. Maybe we'll have to take a little trip sometime soon.
[00:03:42] Speaker B: Yeah, we should. We like taking people with us so we've got some of our best friends. We've taken different places with us, so I love that. Yeah.
[00:03:50] Speaker A: Yep. That's gonna happen. I know.
[00:03:53] Speaker B: Nice.
[00:03:54] Speaker A: All right.
So you lead a community that is full of different people, different needs, and different personalities, and you do it with such patience and love, and you are so humble that you won't take a compliment. But I'm here to tell you this right now, so I want to dive in about how you stay grounded and kind even when leadership is messy. So it's. Can you tell us what led you to start the Schoolie Swarm community? And, you know, back in the early days, like, what gave you that nudge?
[00:04:27] Speaker B: So Travis was on a bus building forum, basically online. It was schooly.net and it was just a bunch of people that were in Florida on this thread talking about the different buses that they were building and that they were all. There was going to be a lot of people in Florida and that we should all get together. And so Travis would come and tell me about that, and I'd be like, yeah, okay. And dismiss it because I was working and busy with all my other life. And. And then, you know, every week or so, he'd come back and say, they're still talking, that we should all get together somewhere. And. Yeah, yeah, we should. And then he's finally. He's like, they're saying maybe like in a Lowe's parking lot or something, we could just meet up. And I was like, oh, well, it seems like we could do something better than that, right?
So I said, what if we went camping for the weekend? And. And so he went back to them. And he said, what if we went camping? And so then they were all spitballing ideas of where to go. And somebody suggested Sartoma Youth Ranch in Brooksville, Florida. And so I called that, you know, but then nobody had the time to call and try to make it happen. So I called them and they said, yeah, you could, you could come here, but you've got to know how many people are coming, how many campsites you need. And we are all volunteers, so don't have them all calling us. You figure it out and then tell me. Yeah, so then that's what put us in charge of making it happen was I just said, well, email, you know, give them my email address and have them email me and tell me if they want to come to this. This thing. Right. So that's how that started. And then. So at our first event, we had 22 rigs.
Well, 22 rigs represented because we had one family that was in a tent because they. Their bus wasn't registered and insured yet, but they didn't want miss it. Yeah. So we had 22.
That family in the buzz and the still comes to the swarm to this day. So that was 2018 and. And we have a lot of people that still come to the Swarm from that first event. And it was just that we never thought we would do more than just that one thing. Like, we just thought, yeah, we're all going to get together this time and it's going to be cool. And then we loved each other so much. Like, it was like, well, surely we're doing this again next year.
And so then we turned right around, made plans for next year, did it the same way where they just would email me if they were coming. But then they. Everybody was just paying the campsite campground for their. For their spot. So the second year we had 68 rigs. So it went from 22 to 68. And.
And then when we started talking to that same place about the next year and like, hey, we're, we're obviously getting bigger. We have no idea how, you know, many rigs we will have, but we still wanted to do in the same time of February, they said, well, you're going to have to rent the whole place. And we really don't have time in February for you to rent the whole place. Like, we're booked. And so we started looking all around. We found another place in the Ocala National Forest and we did it up there, but we could only have 98 rigs at that location.
So that's what we did. We had 98 rigs at the next one, and we had to cap it, and then it was 158 the next year, and then 250 the next year, and then now we're up over 300. But we cap it. We could have more, but we try and cap it to keep it the same feel. Yeah. Wow.
[00:07:58] Speaker A: It is absolutely amazing how much it's grown and to see and hear from people that are like the OG first, people that are in it, and to see all of the. The new people. And so for those of you listening, and she's using the word rig, that's the thing that we live in. That's our bus, an rv, a camper, a pull behind, a van, whatever the drivable is that you've got that you live in. It's a rig. That's what we call it. So if you're. You're hearing that, that's what that is. Yeah. I forget sometimes when I'm talking to people that don't know the bus world or the nomad life that we use words that they don't know.
[00:08:38] Speaker B: Right, right.
[00:08:39] Speaker A: They don't know. And it's like, yeah, I should. I should come with a dictionary, right?
I should come with the dictionary. So can you. Can you share a time when loving people has been hard? And I can imagine, you know, with this very quick growth and you've gone from not just one swarm event each year to multiple. So now you've got more places, more people, more logistics. You know, how does that. How does that go with loving people and dealing with so many?
[00:09:14] Speaker B: To talk about a time when it. When it's been that, you know, I had to, like, maybe make kind of a hard choice in order to make sure that the most people benefited, I guess. So there was. There's been a time where, like, somebody in the community was making other people feel uncomfortable, and I had to make it that that person couldn't come to our event.
And I didn't just listen to the one person that said, hey, this person's making me feel uncomfortable. I knew that that person had been at location that lets people build their rigs there. So I reached out to the leaders of that community and said, hey, do you remember this person? Do you remember anything about them that would add to this other person's testimony that, you know, maybe they shouldn't be allowed to come be part of the community? So.
And so I actually checked with three different people to just kind of verify that I should say, I'm sorry, you can't come. And so that was hard. And they didn't understand why I was telling them, I'm sorry, you can't come. It didn't make me think, oh, he's not guilty of making people feel that well way. It just made me think he doesn't recognize that his actions make women feel uncomfortable. So, yeah, you know, that was a time where it was hard. It was a hard choice. It was hard, you know, just asking for discernment, asking God for discernment to know, like, help me make the right choice on this and, and be still be kind and loving to that individual because that's what we're supposed to do. And it wasn't that. And I didn't personally have an issue with him, but I'm a married woman, so that was the difference. And we have a lot of single women that come to our events. And so I don't want there to be. I don't want somebody to come to our event and then not feel comfortable and me know about it.
[00:11:18] Speaker A: Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I can imagine that that is difficult as it has grown that there are so many more personalities and while most of us do get along well, it's, you know, sometimes and, and honestly, you know, thinking about it, it not always, like you mentioned, like, he didn't know that he was that way, but that is it. And you know, speaking up, those speaking up around and saying, hey, I. I feel uncomfortable. I feel like is a good thing for people to do because if no one ever speaks up, you'll never know. And then you're continually in that discomfort and then you go, oh, well, I don't want to go to this event because it makes me feel it's not the event, it's because you didn't speak up. And so that's, that's a little lesson for us all to know and remember is that if you feel uncomfortable, definitely speak up. Tell someone that I don't like what this is happening. And then hopefully you have a great leader like Michelle and, you know, we'll look into the situation and figure out what can we do about this to make you feel safe. Because I know that you do a great job at that. You do a great job at making us feel safe and comfortable and at home and like it's family. And sometimes we have Uncle Bob's that make us uncomfortable.
But he doesn't get to come to Thanksgiving next year and you know, we love him anyway.
[00:12:38] Speaker B: Right? Right.
[00:12:40] Speaker A: Yes. Yes. So what has God taught you? Speaking of that, what has God taught you? About leading with both compassion and boundaries, that it's okay.
[00:12:50] Speaker B: It's okay to have boundaries. It's okay to set those boundaries. And you don't have to feel bad that you're setting certain boundaries to either protect yourself or protect others.
That kind of. For the greater good to do that. Yeah.
[00:13:05] Speaker A: And it doesn't mean that you don't love the person. You can still love them and set a boundary. And I think that it's. When we set healthy boundaries, sometimes it is.
It does feel hurtful for the other person. But that's usually when you know that it's the right one that protects you properly and, you know, gives you that. So what about boundaries in your personal time, in your. Because you're. You're doing this. This huge event, you've got all these people that are, you know, Michelle, Michelle, Michelle, we need you. We need you. I need this. I have a question, right? And you're like, I'm only one person, so what does that boundary look like?
[00:13:41] Speaker B: Yeah, I probably need to get better on that one.
Because I have thought in the past, like, as we get closer to the events, it's better now because now we have a website, and so all the registrations go through the website. But it used to be that you had to email me to register. Like, for years it was that you had to email us to register, and then we had to respond. And then once the event started, we would shut, registrate. You know, it'd be like, sorry, and. But there would still be people wanting to come because now they'd be seeing Facebook posts or they'd be meeting people on the road on the way there. And I would. Yeah, and I'd be trying to focus on, okay, now I'm putting on this event. So now I'm. I. And I didn't have as many volunteers then either. And so, you know, every little thing was me doing it. And so they would Facebook message me or they would, you know, if they knew my text. If they knew my cell number, they would text me. If they, you know, found me on Facebook, they would message me, please let me in. I want to come. And it's like, okay, I'll let you in. Because my point of view is the more the merrier.
[00:14:52] Speaker A: And widen the circle.
[00:14:54] Speaker B: Widen the circle. That's the deal, right? We've been yelling at since the beginning. And widen the circle. And. And I really, truly believe that, like, anybody that wants to come and can come to the events, because I do see and I hear how, like, I feel silly saying it, but like that, it is a life changing thing for people to be able to come to these events. Their lives are changed, their circle is widened, their, their resources and their friend group is bigger and they're able to get through this nomad life in a better way than if they were by themselves or if they. As simple as like, hey, where are you going next? I don't even know where I'm gonna go. Where are you going? Where are you going? And getting that information from people to, oh my gosh, I'm broken down and just putting that on the Facebook group and then people offering, you know, where are you? Or you know, have you checked this? What's it doing all those things that if you were just a single person putting it on your regular Facebook, you know, my mom doesn't know what, how to fix my bus. So, you know, so, so, you know, or Aunt Jill or whatever, you know, so, but, but when you have people that are living this lifestyle and driving big rigs and doing this stuff, they will have more of the answers for you. And if you're plugged in then you're, you're, you have this resource to even. There's a, there's a current post on the Swarm now where somebody from the fall event is going to be traveling down to South Carolina is like, hey, who's in my path? Where? Who should I stop and see? You know that that's always fun too. Because you can, you can. I mean, honestly, we're, we've stopped and seen two different bus people on our way from Minnesota to South Carolina and we're only in Ohio, so, you know, we're, we're slow rolling. Well, three, three. I take that back. Three different bus people. So you could fill up a whole trip going from friend to friend to friend. Exactly. When you're, when you know a lot of people. And that's how you know a lot of people is come to a big event like that. Yeah.
[00:17:04] Speaker A: So it's hard to say no when those people are reaching out because yes, that, that could be their life changing. Yes, exactly.
[00:17:13] Speaker B: So I want them all to be able to come. So that was what it was is. It was really hard to say, sorry, I'm not answering my, my Facebook messages during the event because I can't, you know, so, so it would be, it would end up being like the evenings I'm trying to lay down to go to sleep. And I'd finally answer them and just be like, here's the address. Just come and we'll, we'll get you settled in when you get here? You know, I guess the boundary for that was kind of set when I'm. When we got the website made and registration is all through there and we can just leave it up the entire event. And it gives. It automatically gives them the information they need. They don't need me to resp to them because they automatically get the address and everything. So. Yeah. Yeah. That. That was a tough one, though. For a few years was me just being overwhelmed with wanting everybody to be able to come. Yeah. And not having the time or energy to get them the information they needed right away. Yeah. Because there'd be people that were in the area even they're like, I heard it was in Melrose.
[00:18:18] Speaker A: Where is it? Yes, yes, yes. We need the. We need the deets. Yeah, that. I mean, I will say. And we were just talking about this, where we are staying right now as we record. This is with two of our schoolie friends that we met at our very first swarm that. Actually, I don't think you even do anymore. But it was the winter one. It was before Lake Doe Lake.
[00:18:42] Speaker B: Doe Lake, yeah. So we did that one last year and everybody has been asking for me to do it again.
I have to reserve it a whole year in advance. And so I'm checking the calendar as we get. I have it on my calendar to check as we get closer because you can't reserve it earlier than a year in advance. Wow. And it gets taken up quickly. So I'm. It's on my radar for next year because it was.
[00:19:08] Speaker A: It was such a great small introductory event for us. And at that time, we didn't look like a schoolie bus. We had a big black motor coach. And we knew that we didn't fit into the motor coach life. We didn't fit into the RV park life. But we couldn't figure out where it was. And we had a friend that said, hey, we are part of this community. They've got one coming up. We won't be there, but you should go. And we're like, will they accept us? Will they like us? Will we be judged for our rig? Because it's not like. Like we were so. I was honestly so nervous. And when we got there, we were met with. It was like six people that welcomed us, cheering us on. And, well, come out here. Let's hug. Let's meet you. Let's. Let's take a picture of you. And here's it. And it was like instant family. And nowhere ever in our travels had we experienced that. And then just you know, we'd see people sitting outside and then we'd just say hi to them, like you do in nomad life, just regularly, whether you have a schoolie or an rv.
And that's where we met these people. And so now, a year and a half later, we're randomly in Arizona and they are, too. So why. We're staying in the desert together. But had. Had we not said yes to that? Have we not had that amazing reaction to us and to. I mean, we. We have people all the time ask, when are you coming back? And I didn't even know that we made that impression for other people. Like, I know. I know who we are, but we have gotten not such great feedback when we go to motorcoach resorts, which, you know, we had a motor coach and we still do have one, but now it's painted and it looks like a bus and it's full of solar, so it's a completely different look now.
But, you know, people, we have children and we play outside and we make noise and we have, like, we live outside and we sleep in the bus. Right.
And it's just not well accepted in a lot of communities. And so when we. I feel like we finally met our people and now we just, like, keep growing on that and growing and growing, and it just stretches so far. And I really don't think that you even know the outreach that you have started in just saying that simple yes to not meeting in a Lowe's parking lot and creating this community, but then continuing to create it and cultivate such an amazing bond and tradition at this point. Right. Because every year you're like, let's go. So how did you come up with the name Schoolie Swarm? Because this is great.
[00:21:49] Speaker B: Yeah. So Travis and I, sitting in bed, trying to figure out, like, what are we going to call this thing? And we're like, so Schoolie Palooza in Quartzsite had already happened once.
And so we're like, well, that's a name.
Maybe it could be like, Schoolie Palooza, Florida. We don't know. And then we're like, no, no, can't wait. We can't do that. That's already. Somebody else came up with that name and we need to figure out something else. So we just started, like, looking in the thesaurus, honestly, for what are. What's. Other words for gatherings, other words for groups of people, other words for, you know, whatever. And. And so a swarm, you know, Schoolie was already part of it because we're schoolies. But then there was Swarm came up and we're like, oh my gosh, that's so perfect because buses are yellow and black when they start, you know, and we're like. And we're all coming together. And then at first it was like Schoolie Swarm. I don't know, it just, it just sounded a little funny on the tongue. And then the more we said it and thought about it, we're like, that's it. And then I was, I was laughing because I was like. And if you slur it together, it could be schoolies warm. Because we're all coming to Florida to be warm.
So. Yeah. So, yeah. Sitting in bed with a thesaurus trying to figure out what to call this thing.
[00:23:10] Speaker A: And the. Everyone gets a sticker when you come spoiler alert. And. And it's, it's a hexagon, like a piece of a honeycomb. Because coming together, which is just beautiful. So the more events that you come to, the more you build your honeycomb. And that, I mean, that right there is just a picture of. I just.
[00:23:29] Speaker B: Yeah, it's amazing. I can't take credit for that design. That was, that was. My friend Alana came up with that, that actual design. So. Yeah, full credit to her for that.
[00:23:37] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:23:38] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that. It is. It's so beautiful.
[00:23:41] Speaker A: Yeah. It puts everything together and it's just, it's the best. That's beautiful. What would you say to someone that is leading in a community that has a lot of these personalities? What would you say to them to help them to continue to lead with grace and compassion?
[00:24:01] Speaker B: Here's a side note. So people ask me, how do I know everybody's names at the events, right? And so I didn't. In my past life, I did not have the ability to like, remember everybody's names, but I truly just.
I thought of it, you know, a couple months ago and it's love.
It's just love. So God knows everybody's names, right? And he knows the hairs on your head. I just think that there's especially times that God is just flowing through and so leading up to every event, like, I just really feel I can be stressed trying to get last minute things together. But the excitement and the just love just like welling up inside of me at the excitement of coming to see all my friends again and even friends I haven't met yet. And just the, it's just love. There's just this big old blanket of love. And so you gotta have love, you know, so you gotta have God, you gotta have Jesus on your side, you know, even through the Hard times. There's gonna be parts of the planning that are tough and the parts of the planning that, you know, maybe slip through, and then your last minute, oh, my gosh, I gotta. I gotta do these things. Yes. But if there's love, then it's all gonna be fine. And, you know, God's already gotten everything taken care of, whether you know exactly what it is or not. And so I would just say, you know, you've got to lean into him and you've just got to know that he's got your back.
And, you know, that's why when you put on the full armor of God, there's. There's not anything back there, but it's okay because that's where Jesus is. That's right.
[00:25:45] Speaker A: That was beautiful. How do you mentally, spiritually, emotionally prepare in between swarms for this huge influx of people and all, you know, everything that goes into that planning?
[00:25:59] Speaker B: We try. Like, when we're traveling or when we're having, you know, work days where I'm working on swarm all day long and I feel like I'm not getting off the couch because all I'm doing is sitting on the computer all day, we try to mix up that with, you know, what things are there around us, wherever we are, that we can just get out of the bus and go see. You know, either something from nature, you know, something that God's created, or some piece of history or some quirky thing. Like, we. We really like using the Atlas Obscura app to just find weird things all over. And so if you haven't checked out Atlas Obscura, it's pretty cool. And even that's, like, all over the world, that app works. Yeah, that. That's a lot of fun. We'll just. If we're driving during the day and. And we're like, you know, we try and see something every day when we're driving. I love seeing new things. So that. That fills my cup, is to see new things and just have a different view out my window almost every day.
And seeing, you know, how good God is, I mean, we're able to experience the colors of fall in three different states so far, or four different states. And then even more, really, because we were in New York and then went to Minnesota, so all the states in between, we got to see it. And so here we are in Ohio, where the colors are just getting towards the end and they're starting to. The leaves are starting to drop. And we had snow the other day. It was kind of neat to have snow and fall Colors. That was kind of pretty. So. Yes. Yeah. Just, just, just seeing how good God is and what a great artist he is everywhere we go. Yes.
[00:27:42] Speaker A: It is so refreshing to be in nature and, you know, God made it all, and we're not meant to just be inside all the time. And, you know, I hear all the.
[00:27:52] Speaker B: Time, oh, I wish.
[00:27:53] Speaker A: I wish I could do that. But honestly, the. The truth of the matter is you can.
[00:27:58] Speaker B: You have to choose to do it right.
[00:28:00] Speaker A: And you can choose to stay inside all day and say, I wish I could do that, and look out at other people doing it, or you can do it right, and then experience the freedom and the goodness and the great, like, all of that amazingness that is in nature that we get to see and do all the time because we make it a part of our life. And it doesn't have to be, you know, traveling full time. It could just be going outside to walk in your neighborhood, walk in the grass, go to a park.
It doesn't have to be huge. But I will say that one of the things that blows my mind about travel is that we'll talk to people who have lived in the same area for their whole life. And I'm like, oh, wow, what is there to do there or do here? And they, oh, there's a restaurant or, oh, we really like this theater. Or. Yeah, what about hiking trails?
[00:28:52] Speaker B: What about.
[00:28:52] Speaker A: I didn't even know that was there. I'm like, yeah, you live here. Yeah, it blows my mind. But it's not. That's not. What's the word? Not an anomaly.
[00:29:03] Speaker B: Yeah, it's not uncommon, like, anywhere. It's not any. Anybody that sits still. It seems like they don't tourist their area. I mean, not anybody, but the majority, I would say a lot, don't know what there is to do necessarily in their area.
[00:29:17] Speaker A: So we get to teach them what there is to do in their own.
Their own city, which.
[00:29:23] Speaker B: Yeah, but.
[00:29:23] Speaker A: And it just goes back to choice. You. You can choose. You can choose to, like we're talking about, do the nomad life by yourself, or you can choose to join a community and widen your circle of connections and family and love and information, and that is just awesome. Can also choose to sit inside or go out in nature. You can choose to allow the Lord to work in your heart, or not. You can choose to lead with grace and compassion or the opposite. I don't even want to think about what that is like. Right. Yes. With a hard hammer, you will be commune.
[00:30:00] Speaker B: Right?
[00:30:00] Speaker A: Right.
[00:30:01] Speaker B: Get out of your r.
[00:30:05] Speaker A: Come knocking on Doors. Get out of here and have fun.
[00:30:08] Speaker B: Yeah, right.
I don't want to.
[00:30:11] Speaker A: I'm a little afraid.
I could just imagine that would be so funny. Well, you do come out with a megaphone, and that, that, that. That gets people out, but it's not scary. It's fun. And right. There was. There was one guy. I can't even remember who it was. And he was such a jokester, and he made it so fun. And I'm like, just because of him, I. I don't even know what the. What he was saying, but I want to come out because he was fun.
[00:30:40] Speaker B: Right?
[00:30:40] Speaker A: Right. Yeah.
[00:30:42] Speaker B: I love that guy saying y. Yeah.
[00:30:45] Speaker A: Yeah. I usually can't even tell, but I know that it's going to be great. So I can.
[00:30:50] Speaker B: Yeah. Yes. Yeah.
[00:30:51] Speaker A: Even when I don't feel like it. And that's, you know, that's another choice is I can choose to stay inside because I don't want to go out or choose to go and just see what it is, even if it's four, you know, five minutes. And usually that means the whole time and then some.
[00:31:07] Speaker B: Right, Right. Yeah. At our fall event, we had a guy, and I said, oh, are you coming to do this thing? And he said, I feel like it will make me uncomfortable. So, yes.
[00:31:17] Speaker A: I was like, I love that.
[00:31:19] Speaker B: Okay. All right.
[00:31:21] Speaker A: I love that. I often say that change doesn't happen in the comfortable. It happens in the uncomfortable. And sometimes we just have to do that. And it's gonna be okay.
[00:31:32] Speaker B: It's gonna be okay. Yeah, that's right.
[00:31:35] Speaker A: This has been. This has been amazing. And obviously, I can talk to you all day long. So as we wrap up today, I'm gonna ask you a question that I ask every guest on here, and that is, what is one perspective that you would encourage listeners to apply today?
[00:31:49] Speaker B: I would say ask God to let you see people through his eyes.
Because when you see people through God's eyes, it takes away that lens that you already have that's jaded from life, and you're able to just really see him, see people through the eyes of love and compassion. And so I would say that that's the perspective that I would want people to do, is just ask to see through God's eyes, because it really does make a big difference. Difference. And it softens your heart to whatever they're going through, and you're able to see their hurt. You might not know what their hurt is, but you're able to see that there is hurt or joy or whatever is going on with them. You know you're able to see it a little clearer because you're looking through God's eyes. Yeah.
[00:32:42] Speaker A: Oh, this has been so, so wonderful. Michelle, thank you so much for being here today and sharing your precious heart with us.
And friend. If this episode spoke to you, please be sure to follow the podcast. Go to perspectivesintopractice.com you can listen to all of them there and share with a friend who needs some encouragement today. If you have a perspective that would encourage someone in their walk with God, I would love to hear from you. This podcast is a place for real women to share how they see God work in their everyday life. So if you want to be a guest, reach out to me.
I would love to have you on here. And remember, even small shifts in perspective can lead to big changes. Now go put those perspectives into practice.
[00:33:24] Speaker B: Talk to you next time.
