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Hey, friend. Welcome back to Perspectives into Practice. I am so thankful that you're here. Today's episode is one of those conversations that just stays with you because it gets to the heart of something that most of us carry quietly. Unforgiveness. Today I'm joined by my friend Lori. And what she's going to share today might shift how you view forgiveness completely. We're going to talk about what it really means to release someone not because they asked, not because they changed, but because God asked you to let it go so he could set you free. This isn't about pretending that it didn't hurt. It's about choosing obedience, healing, and wholeness so we don't stay stuck in the weight of what was never ours to carry. Let's get into it. Welcome, Lori. I'm so glad that you're here.
[00:01:16] Speaker B: Thank you, Jessica. I'm so glad to be here.
[00:01:19] Speaker A: Oh, we're gonna have a great time. All right. So you guys, I know a good fun fact, and Lori's fun fact is she marched and traveled the country during her college years at the University of Texas Longhorn Band. And I feel that just. It just says so much about you that you do that. Showing up, the strength, the purpose. I mean, I too, am a former band geek. And so, of course I have to ask, what was your instrument of choice?
[00:01:47] Speaker B: Well, actually, I. That's a good question, because what would be my instrument of choice and what I chose is probably two different things. Crazy enough.
[00:01:55] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:01:56] Speaker B: I think that is kind of what for all of us, right? What we think we chose and what we chose. And when you look back, like everything in life, why did I do that? So I chose the flute, which turned into marching band. The piccolo.
Looking back, I had. I picked that because that was what my best friend played in sixth grade.
[00:02:14] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:02:14] Speaker B: Why I chose that was because of her.
That was the silliest instrument for me to choose because I was not very good at that. Oh. I go by the motto in life that a percentage of what you do is based on ability and 90% of your success is on your attitude and your perseverance.
Longhorn being for me, a lot of that was attitude and perseverance. Quite honestly, I actually was cut from the Longhorn band. Going into my junior year and I was already holding an officer position in the band sorority. And so I actually at that point I had the, I was a piccolo and flute and the flag court tryouts were three days later than the Longhorn band tryouts for, for the band. And so a lot of my friends who were in the fly core said, well, we're not going to let you not be part of the band your junior and senior year. You're going to figure out five core things. So I did, I tried out, I made it back into the band.
[00:03:13] Speaker A: Oh my goodness.
[00:03:15] Speaker B: Actually my instrument of choice after that was the black core. But now after having a hemorrhagic stroke and a disability where I'm majority one handed, I actually wish God had told me this plan of his all along that I was going to be one handed. I would probably pick the trumpet because then I could pay the trumpet now with one hand. But you know, he didn't enlighten me when I was, you know, a sixth grade on that. This is going to be part of my future. So yeah, you know, here we are.
[00:03:47] Speaker A: You could, you could twirl batons. Those are a one handed thing, right?
I could.
You could do that. That's amazing.
[00:03:55] Speaker B: He does use everything. And I think that was really the beginning stages of me really honing into the idea of resilience, perseverance. And although I didn't understand the big picture of that and my faith journey wasn't as strong in high school and college as it is now as an adult, it truly did set the stage in just who I was and how I approach things and you know, moving forward as a stroke survivor, it definitely set the stage of how I approach everyday life.
[00:04:28] Speaker A: Yeah, band will do that to you. And if you let it, it will definitely change your perspective. And I had to learn a lot of things through the band. I played flute since the third grade and then I switched to the drum line, so.
[00:04:46] Speaker B: So that was good for you.
[00:04:48] Speaker A: Flute was the choice, but the drum line, I just, I love music and so that was the one thing that I could really enjoy for the concert band season that wasn't. I love that. That was. Yeah, yeah. But it, it's, it's a humbling season to be anything to do with the band because it's a lot of work and you have to put yourself aside to do it. It's. I don't think people realize because we make it look so beautiful and easy out there. Even the flag guard is like, they're so.
That's a Lot of work. So I, I, I pat ourselves on the back.
[00:05:24] Speaker B: I actually went on a coffee date with a friend recently who wanted to meet at 6 in the morning, which I usually don't do coffee dates at 6 in the morning. That's as I was meeting this, this beautiful friend. I passed a high school and the, the band was out there practicing, football team was out there practicing, and that was our lives, you know, at five, six in the morning before school and then after school. And as I was watching, as I was driving, I was watching those kids, I was thinking, not only poor kids, but poor teachers and adults. I mean, that, that's their life. I can't imagine now being that dedicated as a teacher and a band instructor or football coach to do that. But they do. And you know, it made me want to go give them a gift card or something just to than thank them for what they're doing because I don't think I realized how much our band instructors did for us.
[00:06:18] Speaker A: And they were always there, always there before us and after us. And I mean, yeah, they might have not have been holding the instruments, but they were holding the band. I mean, they were keeping us together. So that's absolutely, it is a huge job.
[00:06:31] Speaker B: That is such a vulnerable, tough age.
[00:06:33] Speaker A: Oh yeah.
[00:06:34] Speaker B: In this society we live in today, it's even harder.
[00:06:36] Speaker A: It is, it is. But to be able to come together to make beautiful music, it just, it still makes me teary when I see bands perform because I'm just like, you had to work together. You might all hate each other and all have, you know, an argument with the other, but when you be, when you put that instrument, when you put that uniform on, you are one and you make this beautiful thing for other people to, and that's just, I mean, that's just a picture of God, that he will bring all of us messy people together and, and he loves us and we make a beautiful noise to the Lord.
[00:07:10] Speaker B: I love that. I love that analogy. That's a beautiful picture.
[00:07:15] Speaker A: Oh, man. All right, so let's talk about what God's been teaching you and how that can shape the way that we walk in freedom. So I'd love to start right where you are. So you mentioned that you're learning this process of forgiveness in situations where the other person might not realize that they hurt you. And that's, that's such a specific kind of wound. So can you share where this kind of started for you?
[00:07:40] Speaker B: Yes, I think, you know, had I not gone through the challenges I've gone through, having a disability At a younger age. I had a hemorrhagic stroke at age 29. So that's a pivotal time in most women's life when we're trying to start our family, think about raising children. My husband and I were just shy of our fifth year wedding anniversary. So it was just at a time where a lot of hopes and dreams got cut short. And we also moved across country due to a job situation, a job change. So we moved from Minnesota to Arizona. So really we were establishing a new residency and people didn't know who I was, they didn't know my personality. So as they were meeting me, they were meeting the new me. And I at that point really didn't know how to express who the new me was because I really didn't know who the new me was. And so I think through that time I just felt so much of a loss of my own identity. And I, although I was a Christian, I wasn't strong enough in the I ams of Christ, of who I was and my identity in him. And so I let the unsupport that I felt or the misunderstanding or even being overlooked for some things really seep into an unforgiveness status of people. Really had no idea that I even felt that way. And a lot of it was just my lack of understanding, needing to be vulnerable to others, but at that same point not wanting to be too vulnerable because then I felt like, well, I'm too vulnerable. Who would want to be my friend?
Because most 29, 30 year olds, you know, they wouldn't raise their hand and say, well, yeah, I love to be a best friend to someone who was in the condition of walking with a cane. And you know, I just didn't feel, I couldn't see what I could offer personality wise because of what I was struggling with, physical wise, if that makes sense. And so I let a lot of, lot of barriers, emotional barriers build up. But I think going forward, as I became closer and closer in my journey with God and through my personal relationship with him and just realizing that, you know, when we have those barriers of unforgiveness, no matter what it is, mine happened to be the health chain challenges and the emotions. But we all have unforgiveness in our life for whatever reason, you know, it's truly just a barrier that's keeping us from what his plans are for us, what he wants for us. And in the end of the day, it really has absolutely nothing to do with the other person, the other group, the other situation.
And that hurt that we're harboring in our heart really is affecting our ability to move forward and service to our, our Lord our Savior, the One who created us the opera, hearing the opportunities he has for us. And I, I'm finding it's, it was restricting me for going back into the areas that I felt so heart hurt in and therefore brand new connections just waiting for me to enjoy. And so I think so many times we get so stuck on this person hurt me or that group hurt me, they don't realize they did. And if you even said something to them, you know what, you have to put it in perspective. I think, and think to yourself, okay, if they apologize, how would they, how would that make you feel? Would that make you feel so much better? If you told that person and they apologize, would that make you feel so much better? And if so, okay, then maybe that's the answer. But if it's not, then that's not the answer. And for me, what I realized, that wasn't the answer. The answer was just moving forward. And whatever God had for me and what God had for me was just to get over it and continue concentrating on the relationship that he had for me. And, and, and by concentrating on only him. As new things keep popping up, I keep being reminded, Yahoo. Do you not remember this conversation we just had?
And so I think it's just continually learning and growing and, and bottom line, you know, obedience is, and our, and our relationship with, with him is ongoing, and it's an ongoing learning and growing process.
[00:12:02] Speaker A: Absolutely. And you're, you're exactly right, is we have to continue that relationship with him and continue going to him, but also listening when he says, we've had this conversation, Jessica, did you really, did we really forget it that quickly?
[00:12:18] Speaker B: And I also think, you know, I've become, and maybe it's a maturity, I'm hoping it's a maturity that I have to think, okay, if I say something to someone and they don't even know that they've hurt me, it might make me feel better. But how is that going to make them feel? That's going to make them feel worse. And so our job as, as Christians, especially Christian women, because we are the emotional side of the men and women side of things, usually we are the emotions and the encouragers. Our job is not to make people feel worse about themselves, just to make ourselves feel better. Our job is to encourage, uplift, come alongside, nurture, support.
So for us to say something to someone just to make ourselves feel better, as a result, making someone else feel worse, that's not what God's asking us to do.
So it comes full circle back to, what does God want? He just wants us to forgive and turn to him so that he can use us for what he wants us to be doing. And again, it goes back to, is it our plans or his plans?
[00:13:23] Speaker A: Yeah, that is so good. So good. So many amazing little nuggets there. So when, when did you start to notice that those emotions were affecting your relationship with God and therefore your ability to move forward?
[00:13:37] Speaker B: I think it just. Little things that I was attending going to, I just felt like it was overriding. It was overriding the things I was involved in. If those particular individuals were there, I automatically was. It changed the way I felt about the environment and it, that just made it unhealthy. And I realized over time they actually weren't the ones even at fault. You know, I, They.
I think the perspective changed too. And so again, with that perspective change, I realized that I was missing out on opportunities to be in connection in these environments just because I was upset at how I felt in these situations. And again, it's a choice. I mean, everything in life is a choice.
[00:14:24] Speaker A: It absolutely is.
[00:14:25] Speaker B: Nothing's fair. I mean, life isn't fair. Life's not fair. I mean, it wasn't fair that Jesus Christ died on the cross just to save us from our sins. I mean, it wasn't. Wasn't fair. I mean, he. How many times did he say to, to God, his Father, please don't make me go through this. I mean, he had the same emotions we did. He. He begged his dad not to have the pain and, and all the things he had to go through. So he even understood the unfairness of that. We feel. Yeah, but that's not what it's about. It's not about fairness.
[00:14:59] Speaker A: No. And, and you have to ask, what's the point? What's the point in bringing this up to the other person? What's the point of me being bitter or holding this unforgiveness against them? What's the point? And that's just a self evaluation.
Some aren't there yet and some are, which I love that you've mentioned that is just figuring that out. What does that even look like? So I'd love to talk about how God met you in that realization. Because when we choose forgiveness, especially when the other person isn't asking for it, it really is an act of surrender to God, not to them. So when this is asking for forgiveness, not to them, but for ourselves and forgiving them. So how did The Lord start to shift your perspective from frustration to freedom.
[00:15:50] Speaker B: I think it's honestly just a journey of becoming closer to him and being more in tune to what he wanted from me. And his desires are and, and getting to a point. And I think many times it's a daily sacrifice of us figuring out what he wants from us, but becoming more and more in tune with our, his plans and what he wants for us. And, and I am part of that whole perseverance driven personality type, triple A personality that he's blessed me with. The non blessing of that personality is I never stop the whole be still and sit at the foot of the cross. To me it's so hard. I mean, I get the concept, I understand the importance of being still. I understand listening for him. I understand, you know, resting in our bodies and, and just waiting on Him. I get all that. I get it educationally. I get it in my head.
[00:16:45] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:16:46] Speaker B: It's just hard. I, I, it's very, very hard for me. I will let my body get to a point of total fatigue, drop down. I, I cannot do this anymore before I'm like, okay, I'm here, you know, okay, I now understand, you know, I think so many times my health challenges have been the things that have taken me to a point of hearing him. And I think for each of us is a different situation.
[00:17:11] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:17:11] Speaker B: But I have been able to thank him with gratitude for the challenges that I've gone through because without those I, I know I wouldn't have the same dependence on him. I wouldn't hear him and I don't hear him vocally. Some people do. I don't, I just feel this presence and this little nudge of the Spirit saying this is what I've called you to do. But you know, everybody's different and that's just for me how it is. And so I think as I've grown closer to him, I've realized that I can't hear him and I can't follow through on what he's asking me to do if I have these other things that I'm harboring.
[00:17:50] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So were there any scriptures that helped keep you grounded when you were learning this process of letting go?
[00:17:57] Speaker B: Yes, there's, there's always, I think there's always scriptures that are good. You know, I, I liked Ephesians 4,32 that says be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other. Just as in Christ forgave you. I'm real big on encouraging other, being compassionate to each other. You know, I think that's so important to just always look at it from the other side of the coin of how would you feel if someone came to you and blindsided you with the same thing that you're about to do to someone else? I think that, I think in the world that we live in today, we have lost many times that act of compassion and encouragement that we're asked, asked to have one another just because life is busy and we all have our own agendas. And in the world of self entitlement, people miss that sometimes.
I also think Colossians 3:13 bear with each other and forgive one another. If any of you has a grievance against someone, forgive as the Lord forgave you, because I mean, it's a commandment. Forgive as I forgave you. I mean, I mean, Jesus literally came down and died for us in our sins so we could be reunited back with him one day. I mean, the ultimate sacrifice was all about forgiveness.
And so for us not to.
[00:19:22] Speaker A: It's very selfish of us.
[00:19:25] Speaker B: Speaks clearly.
We just tend to not put it as one of the top priorities sometimes.
[00:19:33] Speaker A: Yeah. And you've said something in past conversation that so powerful that these unresolved emotions in this unforgiveness were actually restricting how fully God could use you. Which is just a beautiful, bold truth. And so how have you seen your relationship with God change as you've let go of those emotional weights?
[00:19:55] Speaker B: I think I'm more focused on what he wants. I'm more focused on, okay, God, what's next? You know, there's, there's things that I have plans on that I think he's called me to do coming up. And when I, when I find myself getting bogged down again and oh, this person's not supporting me, or this person can't help me, or this isn't working out, out that they aren't available.
Rather than getting upset, I'm hearing this little nudge. Did I tell you to take up your cross and be obedient and follow me? Because a person, A, B or C was going to agree with you, support you, walk alongside you, or did I ask you to do this because you and I are going to partner together to do this? And I thought, yeah, there's the answer. So I think again, it goes back to, we are such emotional creatures, we let everything that we do then drive by those emotions. And so I think we just, we have to at some point just make that choice, you know, whether the other person on the other end is going to ever acknowledge or even know what emotional Hurts. And I'm not saying that your hurts don't matter. I mean, your hurts do matter and they matter to God deeply. But he, he's the only one that's going to clear those. He's the only. I have learned so much in my wilderness times of loneliness that truly you can have the best family, and I have an amazing family and amazing husband. I can have my very best friends and I have a great community.
But only God, the God that created us, can give us that soul heartwarming hug that we need that's going to take care of everything. And so until we're willing to turn that over specifically in our Unforgiveness, it's not, we're not going to move forward. And so we have to get to that point.
[00:21:47] Speaker A: So. Good man, this is. I don't even have much of anything to say back because I'm just like, yes, what she said, what she said.
This is like a one sided interview. But like everything that you're saying is just exactly what I would.
I feel like a terrible host over here. But man, you are hitting nail on head. I love it. I love it.
[00:22:12] Speaker B: One of your, one of your questions was, you know, what, what perspective, you know, would you encourage others? And I thought a lot about that because you want to take, you always want to consider, how can I encourage others? And I think we talked about a little bit about this, but I've thought a lot about this. I appreciated what you invited me to think about in order to talk today. And you know, forgiveness, we get so muddled in our emotions and this person hurt us or that thing hurt us or I didn't. And it could be anything. It could be a job promotion or speaking opportunity that you didn't get picked for or positioned in the worship team that you, you know, you got private lessons for you to get chosen for. I mean, it can be anything, you know, part on the, in the team sport or the, if you're young, you know, in the theater. I mean, it can be absolutely anything that you're upset about.
But bottom line, if you really look at your forgiveness, it's not about the other person. It's not about anything except your relationship and plans God has for you.
So I've come to the conclusion for me that unforgiveness is truly about my desire and my willingness to be so close to him and so in tune to using my challenges for opportunities and hearing how he wants me to serve and how he wants me to move forward.
[00:23:38] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:39] Speaker B: That nothing else matters. And we have to just decide if that's the relationship we want and if so, and that's our focus and we're really, if we're focused on, okay, God, I'm eye to eye to you, and yes, I have your hand, you're my partner, then none of the other stuff matters.
[00:23:58] Speaker A: It all falls to the wayside. And we talk a lot about choices here and about relationship with the Lord is that you have a choice in everything that you do. You get to choose whether to be resentful or to choose forgiveness. You get to choose whether you're gonna stay close to the Lord and talk to him every day or ignore Him. You get to choose if you're going to open your Bible and read his Word and hear his Word and know what he sounds like, or keep it closed and, you know, have a stagnant relationship. That's, that's all about choice, which, this whole conversation is all about choice. And so I want to, want to ask. So for those women listening that, that don't know really how this forgiveness looks like in, in practically in their day to day, it's. Is it, is it a once and done or something that you have to lay down or what does that look like practically for you?
[00:24:53] Speaker B: I think practically it looks, I think it looks different, number one for everybody. So I don't think there's like one set thing that's going to work for everybody. I think that. I don't think it's one and done. I think, because I think things come up all the time. I mean, you think you do something and you forgive someone and then you see them again and you're like, well, I thought I forgave them. And yeah, maybe I didn't because I'm still mad at them and then they still hurt me. And I think that's one thing we have to realize. Just because we forgave them and doesn't, and maybe they, they'll never know, doesn't mean that we can just. We have to diminish the amount of hurt we felt from him. The hurt is real. And just because we are, we are saying we forgive you doesn't mean we have to say that hurt didn't matter. Because that's saying our emotions don't matter. So hope whoever's listening doesn't misinterpret that because forgiveness and unforgiveness has, has, has, doesn't diminish your feelings.
It's just really being obedient and, and moving forward so that you can be free, you can be free from, from those Feelings. I think for me, writing things down helps a lot because it's almost like you can write them down and you can just get them out of your heart. I had a friend recently tell me, just not even for forgiveness, but just for all the things that I always have that I want to do is always in my brain. She said, yeah, rather than always having these things in your brain and then being frustrated with yourself that you never get to them, why don't you try the idea of shelving things? Write them all down on separate pieces of paper and put them literally on a shelf so that you don't feel like it's not that you're not doing something and you're not quitting, you're just shelfing it. And I think that's so wise and valid. And I think the same thing with forgiveness. Write it down and realize you're not invalidating it. You're just. You're validating your feelings, but you're forgiving the person by validating it. And then either burn it or throw it away or just journal it. So many times we just keep these things inside of us, and it's like a ongoing loop, like a movie on replay. And then sometimes with the smallest little thing that's like, started out as a p. Like a kid that embellishes a story.
That's what our mind does, and that's what Satan does with one little thing. You know, what starts as a pee turns into, like, this giant box of cereal before the end of the day. We've made this whole small. This little small thing turned in this huge box of cereal that it didn't need to be. And so, however you need to answer your original question, I think everybody's different. The most important thing is to figure out how you best get to the bottom of your emotions. And for me, writing has been key in that.
[00:27:44] Speaker A: Let's say that someone has hurt me and I forgive them. I'd say, lord, I forgive this person. I release them from this bondage that I'm holding over them. Help me to walk in that. What does that look like now after.
Obviously, I have changed from the inside, and that other person has no idea that I have been holding this against them. But I feel better.
What is. What do you think that looks like in our relationship? How do I just change from I have been so upset at you, but now I forgive you to oh, now I've forgiven you and walk in that.
[00:28:23] Speaker B: I think if the other person knew, then they would have. And then they would have known there would have been a difference in your demeanor. But I think if the person didn't even know enough to know that there was something wrong to find, figure out that they needed to ask for forgiveness or what was wrong, they probably didn't pay attention enough to know there was a difference in your demeanor. So either you've been able to hide it well enough, which I know for me, I've been able to hide it well enough around everybody that I feel this way towards. You know, there's just not been a change in demeanor, but it's a change in my inside demeanor and my freeing spirit of, I'm really okay, I'm really good to do whatever God wants me to do. And I think part of it is it goes from being around those people and at them in one direction versus being around the same people. And maybe your demeanor never did need to change. Your spirit inside just needs to change. And rather than going and seeing those same people with the same demeanor and having a thought process of, well, why did they get to do this? And why did they get to do this? And why do I not get to do it to being around those same people. And God has changed you from the inside. So that you're looking at and you're thinking, wonder how I can encourage them. Them. Wonder how they're hurting and no one's paid attention. Or, gosh, I never noticed that about them. That's something that I need to pray about. Wonder if they need me to come alongside them and ask them if I need to pray for them for that. You just start noticing things in different ways, and you never know if the things that you were hurt from was keeping you from seeing those before, or if the things that they hurt you from was literally something they were already hurt from before.
And that's just their reaction from being hurt on something else. And I've learned so much about so many times that I've been hurt by something that someone has done to me, had nothing to do with me in the first place. They were reacting to me for something totally different.
And so the one thing I learned by having a stroke at a younger age and ongoing challenges is no matter what you go through in life, whatever challenges you go through, life, we all go through challenges, and no one signs up for the next challenge. We're not so bored with life that we raise our hand widely and say, can't wait for the next one. Sign me up.
But we don't have control over that. And what we have control over is our reaction to the circumstances. And part of that, like you said, again, is choices and the choices we make, and the biggest choice we can make is to choose God and, and what he wants and really not just say, okay, God, I choose you, but really hone into why are we choosing Him? And that's where the scripture comes in.
[00:31:08] Speaker A: Absolutely. So how do we keep moving forward in that when our feelings do want to pull us back? Because I'm sure that that happens as well.
[00:31:17] Speaker B: I think, number one, being in community, being in a good community that you feel supported, that is going to uplift you in the right ways and that's going to keep you in the Word. A good Bible study and a good group of women that will pray for you that you can trust, that you can say, hey, I'm really struggling with this. Will you pray for me? And to know that they really will pray for you. And I think reminders are helpful to you, like post it notes or whatever's helpful for you to remind you that's important too. Like I said about the IM statements, if that that's what it takes for you to realize that in his word of who you are truly is who you are is to pit. Put those on post it notes and put them all around your house. Then do that so that you can truly start remembering by seeing it every day all around you. That way, who he says you are and who he created you to be is who he wants you to be. He wasn't joking when he wrote the Bible and he ran, he wrote and he created you to be this. I mean, he didn't want it for us to, to not believe it. And so I think it's whatever we need to do to keep moving forward, whether it's listening to podcasts or listening to our pastor going to different Bible studies, whatever we need to do to keep moving forward is what we need to do.
[00:32:41] Speaker A: I love that. Oh, Lori, this has been so amazing and it's such a great, deep conversation that is so, so needed. And I just, I'm so thankful for your transparency and your perspective. It's just been such a gift and I know that you're not alone in it. I mean, there's so many of us that are walking this out in quiet ways. So before we wrap up, I do want to ask the question that I ask every person on the podcast so you can, you can tell us again. But what is that one perspective that you would encourage listeners to apply today?
[00:33:15] Speaker B: Yes, again, it is that it's not about you. It's not about the other person. It is about your relationship with your savior, the one that you have, a personal relationship. If you have a personal relationship. If you don't, then that that's step one is to realize that God, the God that created you, created you to have a personal relationship with you. But to next step is to start concentrating on that relationship and not the person that hurt you and not all the stuff that is keeping you from the full magnitude of what God has for you. Yes.
[00:33:53] Speaker A: Oh, that is so good. I love that. Thank you so much, Lori and friend, if you're listening to this and thought I've got a story too, something God maybe has been teaching in you or shifting in you, I'd love to hear from you. This podcast was created to share real faith and real stories, and yours might be the encouragement that someone else needs. So if you feel that little nudge, don't ignore it. Visit perspectivesinterpractice.com and share your heart with me. I would love to walk this journey with you. And remember, even small shifts in perspective can lead to big changes. Now go put those perspectives into practice. Talk to you next time.
