Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] Speaker A: Hey, friend.
[00:00:02] Speaker B: Welcome to Perspectives into Practice, a place where life's stories meet practical wisdom. Together, we'll explore how faith filled perspectives can transform the way we live, love, and grow.
So grab a seat, settle in, and join us on this journey to turn inspiration into action.
Let's dive in foreign.
[00:00:29] Speaker A: Hey, friend.
[00:00:29] Speaker B: Welcome back to Perspectives into Practice. I am so glad that you're here today. Today's episode is one of those heart conversations. It's real, it's deep, and it is full of truth. I'm talking with someone whose story and Walk with the Lord will remind you that God sees you even in the questioning and the quiet. My new friend Marchette is a woman who radiates both faith and a heart fully turned toward obedience, even when there's nothing in it for her but saying, yes, God. Her story is one of wrestling with doubt, laying down expectations, and discovering how deeply the Father meets us in our big emotions and raw honesty. I just know that this conversation is going to encourage you all in the best ways. Welcome, Marchette. I'm so excited for our chat today.
[00:01:19] Speaker A: Hey, I'm so excited to be here.
Thank you for having me.
[00:01:23] Speaker B: Yes, absolutely. All right, so before we dive in, you guys know I love a good fun fact. And your fun fact is that you are fiercely competitive when it comes to board games. It doesn't matter what the game is. She is going to win and laugh while doing it. And I just love that. That just perfectly sums up who you are. Joyful and strong and not afraid to lean in all the way.
So I have to ask, what is your favorite board game that you enjoy teaching new players?
[00:01:52] Speaker A: That is a good question.
[00:01:53] Speaker B: Yeah, I actually did not think about this.
[00:01:57] Speaker A: I did not think about this. I'm really bad. Like, if. Even if you ask me what's my favorite food, I cannot tell you a favorite food.
[00:02:03] Speaker B: So, okay, so let's go back then. What is the last game that you dominated?
[00:02:10] Speaker A: It's this game. It's called Chameleon. I believe it's called Chameleon.
[00:02:15] Speaker B: Oh, I haven't heard of that.
[00:02:16] Speaker A: But you basically. So it's like a team of. It's more than four people, I believe, that can play the game and you all get a card. But you like, let's say if you're the Chameleon, no one knows that you're the Chameleon, but you have to guess based on a list of names.
[00:02:32] Speaker B: Nice.
[00:02:33] Speaker A: But it's like no one knows what the word is, but the Chameleon kind of turns out, tries to blend in to figure out based on what everyone else is saying and then based on the response, everybody chooses if that person is a chameleon. But, yeah, it's fun. It's fun.
[00:02:48] Speaker B: Yes. I think that will be really fun. You could fit right in. I love that.
I love it. That's amazing. So. Oh, wow. So you have learned to show up with that same heart for the Lord. And so even when the stakes are feeling high and obedience doesn't seem to win it, it's still. You're still walking forward. And I want to talk about that kind of faith. So I'd love you to take us onto your journey where you. You talked to me and shared about how the Lord has been asking you to say yes even when there's no visible benefit, which can be really hard. So can you tell us about a time when you wrestled with that, what you were feeling, how God was beginning to work in you through that?
[00:03:31] Speaker A: Yes. For me personally, it actually happened a few weeks ago where I was stepping out on faith. And, you know, I was like, okay, I feel like God is telling me to do this particular thing.
And I kind of really doubted myself and questioned, like, should I?
What if it doesn't turn out the way that I think it's going to turn out? At that moment, it was just, you know, just kind of going back and forth in my mind, and I almost was like, well, I'm just not going to do it.
I'm not. I'm not going to do it at all.
And it was. I was actually just having fun with the Lord. And this particular day, I had went to the library, and I usually read, like, you know, books from time to time. I'm not good at books because I will start it, but it takes me forever to finish.
But eventually I do. I'll get there.
And this particular story or this book was talking about the fear of God, and it brought in the story of Esther and how God had positioned Esther in this moment to save her generation of her people. They were about to be taken out. And it was in that moment, the author had mentioned how Esther had. Like, she didn't she. Like, we know that she would have went to the king.
She could have lost her life at that, you know, at that moment. Like, there was no benefit for her, you know, but she still walked in obedience.
So in that moment, like, sometimes God can be calling us to do something, to walk out on faith. And how it can be intimidating. It can be scary, especially if you've never done something before. And it's like, you Know what will people think? This or that. But it's like she had a fear of God. It's like, you can't. And the Bible tells us you cannot serve God. You cannot serve God and then serve money or you can't serve people and serve God at the same time. It just doesn't work. So in that moment, I was like, okay, you know what? If I'm believing that God has placed this on my heart to do, then I have to do it. I have to do it. I was like, I do not want to fear people over God. I don't want my emotions to then hinder me or stop me from doing what God is calling me to do. And in that moment, it was just, it was eye opening for me. Like it, it really was. And I just don't want to be in that place where people. I'm serving people or I'm serving my emotions because sometimes that, that can happen too. Our emotions can be so big. And if we don't surrender that to the Lord, our emotions become our God. Like we're not, we're not saying it, but that's what we're doing. We're walking, we're walking in fear, walking in doubt, we're walking in unbelief. Because we trust what we see more. Yes, but we're, you know, God says that we don't walk by sight, we don't walk by what we see, we walk by faith. And I think that's something that God is constantly, even now, teaching me is to surrender those things, to give that over to Him.
[00:06:42] Speaker B: I love that. And you know when, when God calls us to do something, when we are obedient, not always is it for ourselves. It could be for someone else or just planting a seed or for him to see that, yes, you, because you are obedient in that I will give you more. But when we allow those, like you said, those big emotions to come over, the fear of rejection, the fear of shame, the fear of doubt, the fear of what if.
When we allow that to take over us, it really does put a damper on what the Lord is trying to do in, through us. And it's us saying that we know better than him and we do not. Yeah, we do not know better.
No, but it's easy to fall into that and think, oh, well, I'm sure that's not, I'm sure that's not what he meant. Or he can ask someone else. I think other people are better qualified for whatever it is. And that. That's really hard. So when you talk about those big emotions like rejection, what did that feel like for you in that moment?
[00:07:47] Speaker A: In that moment, it was.
It was difficult. I'm not gonna lie, like, because sometimes, especially rejection is a difficult thing. I don't know. It's a weight. It can be a weight.
[00:07:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:07:59] Speaker A: But I feel like, for me, like, in that moment, even feeling those feelings of rejection or coming to those moments of, like, man, I feel rejected because of this or maybe someone won't receive me well.
And I remember I was just like, up at night. This was. This was probably maybe a few days after that had happened.
And I was just sitting, wrestling in bed. Sometimes I'll ask out questions, and I'm sitting there and what came to mind is cleansing of the temple. And I'm like, I feel like that's a Bible verse. I don't know exactly where it is.
So I googled it, and in that moment, it was. I think it was in the book of Luke where you have the.
The money changers in the temple. You know, they're doing all these things in the temple. These are, you know, religious people in the temple. They're doing all these things that it shouldn't. And Jesus is there. And what stood out is that, you know, Jesus addresses them, but he continues to preach, he continues to teach, like, his. I mean, just think about the religious people. They. They rejected the Lord.
[00:09:07] Speaker B: Like, yes.
[00:09:08] Speaker A: They weren't on what Jesus was, was. He was. What he was about. Their mission was completely different.
Yes. But in that same moment, it was like, man, even though I have these.
These feelings, even though I have a feeling of these feelings of rejection, I can go to the Lord, I can submit them to the Lord. But also, like, God can identify with those same emotions. And that's why I found constantly in my season that God is reaffirming me that he understands. He understands everything that. That I go through. And that was a big moment for me as well, because I was like, man, Jesus was focused on. Focus on a mission, and he still taught. It didn't stop anything. It did not stop anything. So in the same way, I can take that. I can take those emotions, and those. Those very emotions can be honoring to the Lord as well. We don't think about that, but they can be. When we submit them to the Lord and not allow them to control us and try to tell us what we're going to do or what we're not going to do. Yes, but in the same way, it's like God, like, I want to be so focused on you that I'm not even allowing the rejection of others to hinder me for what you want to do in my life.
[00:10:21] Speaker B: Yeah. And we can't walk thinking that we're never going to get rejected because even Jesus was rejected and was shamed and was. He was crucified on a cross because of a lie that other people believed. But in everything. He never sinned, he never attacked, he never reacted to them because he knew the truth inside of him. He didn't have to. He didn't have to react. And so I, I often will tell the Holy Spirit to shut my mouth because I need to be quiet.
And that, that example about talking to the temple reminds me of a mom. You know how moms are talking, having a conversation one way and the kids are acting a fool over here and then they just quietly correct them and continue talking over here. It's like. That's what Jesus was doing.
[00:11:11] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:11:12] Speaker B: Like, okay, listen up, be good, but Daddy's gotta. Daddy's got something to talk about over here. I love that. And you know, it's. God sees us when we're in that place. And I love that you keep saying that. You're just surrendering and laying down those emotions and feelings because he sees us in every place that we're at. But if we will humble ourselves and say we, Lord, I'm really struggling with this. I'm really struggling with this. I. I really need you. I need you to show me. Sometimes he will show us and sometimes he won't. Because sometimes the showing us is not in the obedience that he's asked us to do because he just wants us to say yes. And then what? Yes, what's next? And do it right. Just that, that action of that. But being in the middle of the pain, in the unknown, it. He still sees us. And it. It's so powerful to just remember that we are seen by God. He has not forgotten us. When he asks us to do these things, it's on purpose. It's not, it's not willy nilly. He doesn't just throw things out there and hope that we catch it. He. He really does want us to obey. And so I, I wonder what scriptures came alive for you in those moments when you were walking through that? I know you mentioned about Esther and Luke, but when was there anything else that really, really came alive for you?
[00:12:35] Speaker A: Yeah, actually it was in the book of Haggai.
And it was. God had told Zerubbabel and Joshua, the Lord had told Zerubbabel to build the temple and they were down about it. They were sad because they were used to the old temple, because the old temple was a lot bigger than the smaller temple.
And how sometimes, like, we can be stuck on the past instead of focused on, like, what is God doing right now?
And we don't see that. Like, hey, there's some. Like, God is doing something right now. Like, his ways are not our ways. His thoughts are not our thoughts. Like, there is something on the rise here. And then when we look at that, the small. Even though they knew that the. The temple that they were building was smaller, it actually outlasted the.
The bigger temple. And it's just like, wait, God has you in mind. And in the same way, God was just so. He was compassionate. He met them where they were. Like, he said, you know, do you see what. What you see before you? Like, is it not but like a small thing in your eyes? And how sometimes we can despise the small beginnings. Like, we can despise what God is doing now because we're so hooked up on the. The past. But that's what obedience is. Obedience is a constant surrender. God is looking for a constant yes.
And like, that was really just reaffirming to me. It's like, God just doesn't want my yes of like, last week or yesterday, but am I going to surrender to him today? What does that look like? To walk with the Lord right now?
And it's just like, God is just doing so many things in just that. And that scripture just jumped out to me, Jessica. I mean, it was just so good.
[00:14:30] Speaker B: I love that.
[00:14:31] Speaker A: But we know also, God does not waste anything. He really doesn't. And sometimes for me personally, like, I was stuck on the past because of past hurts or past relationships, but I can see now, like, God, you really are redeeming the time. You really are like, restoring multiple things in my life. And. And it's just like. But I had to take my eyes off of back then. I had to take my eyes off of what happened then. But to look what is God doing right now?
[00:15:00] Speaker B: I love that. You know, it reminds me of the saying, you steer where you stare. And if you're constantly looking back and, well, what if this changed? And what if this was different? And what about all those people that hurt me? But you're not looking forward to God's promises and his faithfulness and everything that he did from then to now.
And I love to say that God is in the present because he. And he is preparing you for your future. And if you're constantly looking back that doesn't mean that you can't look in the rearview mirror and see what happened and then apply it to now and keep you safe and where you are. You can always look back to the past, but to stay there and sit there and wallow and fester, it's going to get infected and it's going to perfect, permeate everywhere that you are. And so I, I love that you, that you were able to go through that and realize God does not want me to stay there. He allowed me to go through those things and now he has changed me. And now I get to learn, I get to submit and surrender and say, God, I am yours. What, what, what can I do from this? And share. Here you are, share with others what God is doing in you. So in, in that vein, now that you're on the other side of that hard decision and that obedience, how has your perspective changed?
[00:16:21] Speaker A: Oh, so good. My perspective changed by constantly, constantly one surrendering. Like, it always starts there for me. It always starts with the yes. Because in my perspective it can't be from past like we were talking about previously. It can't be from there. It has to be. What does God say about this? Like, how am I aligning myself to scripture? Not my feelings or my emotions. But granted, God is so good. Like he will still meet me in that place and he still is.
But like, am I constantly surrender, surrendering that to him. And that's how my perspective has changed is what does God say about it? Like, who cares what anybody else thinks?
It's like, what is God telling me? And I'm like, God, I hear what other people are saying. I know what other people, you know, I can discern this and that. But like God, what are you saying? And that's important for me.
[00:17:15] Speaker B: So for those that are listening, they hear you say that you are surrendering and submitting to the Lord your emotions. So what does that look like practically for you in your day to day?
[00:17:26] Speaker A: That is a very good question.
Honestly, sometimes, Jessica, it just simply means sometimes it looks like me wallowing in my emotions. I know that sounds crazy, but just being honest with God, with how I feel about things and just go into him. The biggest thing that I have learned as of recently is that I am a daughter and God is my father, like, and to understand what it means to be a daughter and I just go to him as my father and I just, I'm just honest. Hey God, like this really hurt me or I don't understand this. I see that this is good, but this doesn't feel good.
You know, honestly, it is going to God with an open heart. With a heart as a. As. As a daughter, like, we are daughters. And just to remember that when we have those conversations, like, it doesn't have to sound like this long, extended prayer. And sometimes it is. Honestly, sometimes it is those long prayers.
[00:18:34] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:18:34] Speaker A: But sometimes, you know, sometimes it's just like, God, I just need you.
And in that, Jessica, I found that God is glorified in our neediness. He is glorified in our neediness. Like he says, in your weak, in our weakness. We are made strong. So it's like God wants us to go to him.
And that's the mindset I have when it comes to surrendering my emotions daily. Because it is a daily thing. Like, we do have to pick up our cross and follow Him. That is a daily thing. That's just not on Sundays. Not just one time, you know, throughout the week, but it's a daily thing. And that's how I come to him as a daughter. I'm like, God, I'm struggling. I need you again. It's me.
[00:19:21] Speaker B: Yes. Do you find that sometimes it's hard to come to him and that you would rather just be mad or sad before you go to him?
[00:19:30] Speaker A: Are you kidding me? Yes. Like, of course. And.
[00:19:35] Speaker B: I ask because I'm that same way. So I'm not asking to put you on the spot, but I. I sometimes, like you said, wallow. Like, sometimes I do just want to be mad before I go to my daddy and say I'm mad.
[00:19:50] Speaker A: Right.
And I feel like God is just like what I was saying about earlier, how God really wants to meet us where we are. Because in those moments, like, before I can even get a prayer out, it can be something that happens throughout the day, or someone sends a text message, or someone calls me, say, like, hey, you're on my mind. Or I can maybe I may not pray that day, but maybe I just open up the Word and I find that God meets me in the Word and I'm just like, God, you knew what was on my heart. Like, you knew what was on my heart the whole entire time. And that's just how good God is. That even in moments where we don't even want to talk about it, he still meets us.
So I love that question.
[00:20:33] Speaker B: He is such a good, good father.
[00:20:35] Speaker A: Yeah. Yes. He cares. Like, he literally. Like, he genuinely, literally cares for us.
[00:20:42] Speaker B: Yeah. And when we have that relationship with him where the Bible comes alive and that we want to spend time in His Word, we want to talk to him. We want to hear from him. It is a completely different feeling than those that don't have that constant relationship where it's just a conversation that you have all day long, even though there's pauses in between. And that definitely. I love that you mentioned that because it definitely makes a difference in your surrender and submission to him when you have that ongoing conversation.
[00:21:16] Speaker A: So.
[00:21:16] Speaker B: So is there a way that you would encourage women to keep that conversation going even when, you know, focusing back on that hard decision, even when the outcome is still unclear? Is there anything that you would encourage women in that?
[00:21:32] Speaker A: Yeah, I would encourage women to know that God sees you.
God sees your acts of obedience.
You don't need a crowd to push you or to say, like, hey, you're doing a good job, or, you know that pat on the back from people because God will affirm you. He sees your acts of obedience to trust him, even when you can't see it, because we walk by faith and not by sight. And I would say even to, like, I've struggled with, like, obedience. Like, does it even matter? Why am I doing this? Does it doesn't matter. And one thing that encouraged me is Galatians 6. I would encourage my sister to read that because, like, it talks about, like, don't be weary and well doing. And God knew exactly why he said that, because he knew we were going to be weary and well doing. Like, he knew. Yes.
But just know that there is a harvest.
God blesses obedience. And we don't just do. We just don't be obedient just to get the blessings. But we know that God is faithful and we know that he wants to bless us. But just know that, like, even in your season of, like, man, I am. I'm doing all the things that God is telling me to do. I still don't see it. Just know that when that thought of, why should I do this, first of all, that is a. That's a lie. That's a trick from the enemy. Okay? But to know that, like, God sees you in that, continue to press in even, even if you can't, you don't have the words for it. Like we were saying before, like, I pray that God meets you where you are so that you do know that you are walking with him in that. And he is there. He is literally there.
[00:23:23] Speaker B: Marshette, this has been so wonderful. Your story is so full of courage and conviction. And I know that the ladies that are listening are going to have.
They're going to take something from this. And I Really, I really know that it's going to encourage a lot of people because this is something that a lot of women struggle with. And I think that it's not talked about as often as it needs to be. But we are here to do that. We are here to talk about those hard things. And so I want to leave our friends that are listening with a takeaway. So I have one last question to ask you that I ask every guest here, and that is, what is one perspective that you would encourage listeners to apply today?
[00:24:04] Speaker A: One perspective that I would give to my sisters is that you are a daughter. That you are a daughter and God sees you and that you can trust him with your yes, daily. You can trust him with your big emotions.
He knows you. He wants you to walk with him daily in that place of surrender. So know that you are a daughter and you can trust God with your yes, you can trust God with those big emotions.
[00:24:30] Speaker B: Oh, yes, Marcette, that is just so beautiful. Thank you so much for being here. Truly, your heart, your honesty, and your love for the Lord. I mean, this conversation has been such a gift and I know that it's going to bless so many women who need the reminder that they are seen and they are held by a faithful God friend. I hope that this chat has reminded you that you are not alone in the wrestle. God sees your heart. He knows the cost of your yes, and he's doing it with you in it. Don't be afraid to bring him your big emotions, your doubts and your everything.
And hey, if this conversation stirred something in you or you have a story of your own surrender that you'd love to share, I would love to hear from you. If God is shifting your perspective and you want to encourage others, you are invited.
Head over to perspectivesintopractice.com and tell me a little bit about your story. I'd be honored to have you on the show. And remember, even small shifts in perspective can lead to big changes. Now go put those perspectives into practice. Talk to you next time.
